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Tesco - it will not matter a jot what they propose because whatever the size IT WILL create horrendous traffic problems on the A3 and the Ewell Road. We only need one hole being dug on the eewll road and from 3pm it is at a standstill now. I attended the focus groups. Now they say it wont include a leisure centre with a swimming pool. why not? Cos it would mean less profit in these difficult times.

Paul, I have read your detailed comments and have no answers just observations. Through hard work I am lucky enough to own and live in a big house but will have to see out my years on a reduced pension. When I was growing up and living in a council house we had to walk a long way to the only local school (no cars then) we crossed brooks and fields and had to run fast to beat the bull but it made us fit and independent! Perhaps the problem is too much choice (6th or 7th) I dont agree with catchment areas. The world finances are in a mess cos people began treating houses/flats as a pension or investment pot instead of a home to live in. You end on that very subject, that if people in richer areas cannot get their children into the best schools people move. But if well off people could only get their children into so called “bad” schools they may have more influence in getting improvements. RBK does need to get a grip on infrastructure because if Tesco goes ahead that is over 500 flats (1000 people?)Tolworth Tower 220 flats (400 people?) Red Lion 60 flats/houses (120 people?) not to mention all the other new developments going on in Surbiton area. So a local hospital and schools and doctors WILL be needed for the future demograph

Paul, I have read your detailed comments and have no answers just observations. Through hard work I am lucky enough to own and live in a big house but will have to see out my years on a reduced pension. When I was growing up and living in a council house we had to walk a long way to the only local school (no cars then) we crossed brooks and fields and had to run fast to beat the bull but it made us fit and independent! Perhaps the problem is too much choice (6th or 7th) I dont agree with catchment areas. The world finances are in a mess cos people began treating houses/flats as a pension or investment pot instead of a home to live in. You end on that very subject, that if people in richer areas cannot get their children into the best schools people move. But if well off people could only get their children into so called “bad” schools they may have more influence in getting improvements. RBK does need to get a grip on infrastructure because if Tesco goes ahead that is over 500 flats (1000 people?)Tolworth Tower 220 flats (400 people?) Red Lion 60 flats/houses (120 people?) not to mention all the other new developments going on in Surbiton area. So a local hospital and schools and doctors WILL be needed for the future demograph

Bridget,

Surbiton Hospital site is vastly underutilised and is probably the only remaining central Surbiton site large enough to accommodate a new school.

Recently, over a period of months, I brought my son to speech therapy at the Surbiton Hospital site. I was gobsmacked at the size of the site, when compared to the relativly insignificant buildings. The car park was never more than half full.

A small building offering local health services does not need such a huge site.
There’s no reason why a smaller site in central Surbiton could not contain a replacement building for any local health services that do not need to be located at Kingston hospital.

As stated elsewhere in this thread, there is a real and growing primary schools crisis. Surely nobody in Surbiton supports the forced displacement of four year old pupils to schools as far away as Knollmead (4km)and Malden Manor(6km).

I don’t think that providing a new school at the Tolworth roundabout, as you suggest, would be seen as a reasonable solution by most parents of four year old chiildren.

Parents have an expectation of getting a place in one of their neighbouring schools,
not in their sixth or seventh nearest. Moreover, in an urban area like ours, most pupils should realistically expect to be within a 15/20 minutes walking distance of a primary school place- not a 45 minute bus trip (or trips).

I should highlight that ultimately, this is every house owner’s problem, not just parents of prospective primary school children.

If RBK are to persist with their attempt to provide non-local places for Surbiton and Berrylands children then, realistically, many prospective parents will move elsewhere. This will have a consequent negative effect on Surbiton’s desirability, and by extension house prices.

Personally, I think the hospital site is more suited to solve Surbiton’s long term primary school needs.

The no provision zone since 2004 has been the area
east of Surbiton Station,
north of Surbiton Lawn Tennis Club,
south of Cranes Park Avenue.

Last year, children in this zone only got local school places because RBK provided temporary bulge classes in Maple Infants and Christchurch, ie in schools straddling the Surbiton/North Berrylands area.

This year, RBK is providing these places in Knollmead and Tolworth. Provision of permanent places in Grand Avenue is certainly preferable to being shunted 4km to Knollmead, but Grand Avenue’s location is still not central to the problem area.

RBK doesn’t operate the principle of nearest community school. This results in boundaries stetching to ensure that no-one falls into a no coverage zone. The ultimate RBK criteria is distance.

Expanding Grand Avenue without introducing a nearest community school clause would increase its catchment area equally in all directions. It is probable that the expanded Grand Avenue will cover some, but not all, of the current no coverage zone. In particular, roads north of the railway line might not be covered. At the same time, people in the south of the Surbiton educational planning zone, who already have more than ample choice of schools would get even more.

This is because the catchment area expands equally in all directions, rather than being skewed towards the areas of no coverage. The end result could be empty places in Knollmead and Tolworth, as parents there take the new places because Grand Avenue is perceived as a better school.

Its time RBK copied other LA’s and introduced the concept of nearest community school - this would ensure that no significant minorities would be faced with unreasonable cross borough commutes of 45 minutes or more, four times per day.

It would be the only way of guaranteeing that any new places at Grand Avenue would be of the benefit of those faced with travelling to Knollmead form Cranes Park actually get the places that were intended for them.

Expanding Grand Avenue without such a clause is only a partial solution. As before those, furthest from their nearest community school would yet again be shunted to the far south side of the borough. The only real difference is that there would be fewer of them. The problem of unfairness would not have been addressed.

In absence of a nearest community school clause, RBK needs to provide expanded permanent places closest to the location of the problem. The hospital site, on the north Berrylands / Surbiton border is as close to ideal as one could get. The large site has in-built flexibility to cope with any future surges in pupil numbers.

The location, beside Surbiton Station, would be a massive hit with commuter parents. The proximity would typically save parents at least half an hour a day as they wouldn’t have to do an additional drive to a school/nursery elsewhere. It could make Surbiton a wonderful town to commute from.

I should emphasise that this is not just an issue for parents of prospective pupils.

Word of the primary school shortage is already beginning to affect property prices in the affected areas. My wife had a midweek email from an acquaintance who was planning to buy in the Berrylands area. He is now having severe doubts because some streets won’t fall into the catchment area of any of our four neighbouring schools.

A personal friend today looked at a house in a wonderful street (my own!). She loved the house - its exactly what she’s been looking for all year. She decided not to bid, however, because she realises she needs to be living practically on top of Christchurch to get a place there. The irony is that Christchurch is so close as the crow flies that you can hear the kids in the playground, but still don’t fall within the catchment area.

Of course, none of this talk about permanent expansion will do any good for the Sep 2009 intake. RBK must reverse its unfair decision to locate the bulge classes in Knollmead and Tolworth, where there is clearly no evidence of any capacity shortages. The problem is undeniably in Surbiton and North Berrylands. The bulge classes should be provided as close to the problem areas as possible.

Unless it is possible to provide classes in a brand new site, the most acceptable option for the Sep 2009 intake is for St Matthews and Grand Avenue to expand.

Both schools should explain publicly why they are not taking bulge classes this year. RBK has so far refused to disclose why these schools, clearly with enough space to expand, and much closer to the problem area have not been chosen to host bulge classes. Maybe the councillors will have more success in getting an answer than concerned parents, who have been faced with a wall of silence. RBK must be hiding behind something shameful when they can’t produce any evidence, reason or rationale to support their crazy choice of Knollmead and Tolworth.

Briefly on this stream: We are aware of the problem about primary places. Apart from the points raised by Paul here we have had the question raised by email, at the neighbourhood and at our recent surgery. The SNC has made representations to Executive about the money collected in Section 106 agreements for Educational uses from developers in Surbiton. The idea of using part of the Hospital site for a school is worth looking into but it may not entirely satisfy parents in Berrylands who might not be too keen on young children negotiating Ewell Road twice a day or more. I have heard that Grand Avenue have a building they are proposing to demolish next year. This might provide a way forward.

Any thoughts anyone?

As I don’t have children I am not aware of the primary school places problems but sympathise. However as an elderly resident who cannot drive, I do use Surbiton Hospital especially the physiotherapy services which have now been expanded and are better than Kingston hospital. The cottage hospital should be reinstated for older patients who just need proper nursing care (try being on a stroke ward at Kingston and you will know what i mean) and then other local services provided like Oakhill Centre to take the pressure of Kingston. Surbiton hospital was originally paid for by local residents in the 1930’s. Instead of Tesco on the A3 which will cause major traffic problems to the A3 and Ewell Road, put the schools needed on that land or get the Red Lion Pub Developers CNM Estates to build a school in place of the pub, after all they must have made enough money by now developing all over Surbiton Kingston etc. Time for payback.